Discipline — Time To Say Goodbye!

DisciplineBy Cathy Eck



Recently, I had the OWN (Oprah) channel on while doing some housework.  The producers set up a help desk where people could ask questions of “spiritual” advisors.  Three times, the experts recommended “discipline.”  They said it was necessary for success.  The first two times, I simply noticed that their comment felt bad and immediately let it go.  But the third time, expert Carolyn Myss put me over the edge.  I realized that I was looking in the face of a huge collective psychological reversal.

An overweight woman (by expert standards) asked Carolyn for help.  Carolyn said, “Do you tend to gravitate toward pleasure?”  The woman said, “Yes,” as she smiled.  Carolyn responded critically, “That’s your problem.  You have no discipline.”  The woman looked like she wanted to slit her wrists or shit her pants.  “Okay, now you pissed me off, Carolyn Myss,”  I thought.   I decided to really look at this word, discipline.  My emotions were screaming, “False.”



The “New Oxford American Dictionary” put things in perspective for me very quickly.  Here’s what it said:

1) the practice of training people to obey rules or a code of behavior, using punishment to correct disobedience.
2) the controlled behavior resulting from discipline.
3) activity or experience that provides mental or physical training.
4) a system of rules of conduct.

Discipline is clearly unnatural; it involves training humans, like animals, to do what an authority or expert wants them to do.  It’s key to a society based on good and evil, right and wrong, or win and lose.

Since the disciplinarians are already in the illusion, or they wouldn’t be using discipline, discipline is inflicted on those in powerless feminine roles, like children.  Our minds record the voices of those who provide discipline until we acquire self-discipline, meaning we inflict reward and punishment on ourselves.

Oddly, the word discipline is very similar to disciple, another highly feminine role.  Well, that made sense.  Carolyn Myss is a recovering Catholic; her Catholicism often bleeds through in her books and teachings.  The other two men who suggested discipline were M. Scott Peck, spiritual psychologist/author, and DeVon Franklin, Hollywood wanna-be preacher.  Discipline and religion are clearly interconnected; both take us toward hell while claiming to take us to heaven.

The truth is that if we’re disciplining ourselves or others, we’re not good, we’re false.  Discipline is following someone else’s rules that don’t feel good and don’t make sense to us.  We should never have to do that in a sane world.  If we’re obeying rules that don’t feel good and telling others to do the same, we’re clearly playing a false masculine role.  We shouldn’t be leading anyone, not even ourselves.

In the TRUE masculine role, we do what we’re inspired to do.  We provide a vision — not rules.  The True Masculine has no desire to discipline others; there’s no need for it.  You trust the people that you create with.  Discipline isn’t even a word I’ve ever needed to have in my vocabulary.

When led by false masculine authorities, we have to muster up unnatural energy to do what they want us to do in the way they want it done.  We become exhausted and depressed.  We hate life.  Then we discipline those below us (like our kids) because we’re starving for energy and life force.


Discipline or Abuse?

Just last week, someone posted on Facebook a comment about the lack of discipline in kids and how it’s because parents no longer spank.  Of course, I couldn’t shut up because children were involved.  So I wrote, “People will stop disciplining their children with physical punishment when they call it what it really is, child abuse.”  You see, calling authoritarian bullying, unnecessary rules, enslavement, and physical punishment “discipline” makes the unacceptable acceptable.

Discipline produces slaves and obedient citizens, not successful or creative people.  It’s a winning formula in the illusion.  It has worked for thousands of years because we don’t stop and examine the reality or the real effects of discipline.



Carolyn Myss exposed the whole illusion around discipline when she said, “Do you tend to gravitate toward pleasure?”  That’s when my emotions screamed, “Stop the madness. Your are Myss-taken.”  She was saying, “If it’s pleasurable, it’s bad for you.”  The idea that we’re supposed to be happy while we suffer is the Catholic mantra; it’s not true.  We all naturally gravitate toward pleasure until we’re brainwashed to gravitate toward pain by following beliefs that generate emotions.

We’re all born to people who were already cooked to well done in the illusory oven before we arrived.  If we could talk, we would have screamed, “Stop!  That doesn’t feel right.  I didn’t come to earth to see how well I could suffer.”  Instead we got disciplined to become like our caretakers and authorities until eventually we couldn’t see the error in the illusion — it looked normal.

It’s not too late.  We can let go of needing discipline right now.  We can start to follow our inspiration at any time.

Carolyn Myss answered the woman’s question, but it’s doubtful that it helped.  She gave her the cause of her weight problem.  This woman thought she didn’t have enough discipline when she actually had too much.  Her inner food police disciplines her constantly, piling guilt and shame on her food and reminding her that she’s not following the diet and exercise rules for a thin body.  She believes the rich and successful (and disciplined) experts even though what they say feels horrible; her True Self knows the advice is false — it’s fixing the effect.

To get free, this woman needs to let go of trusting experts who keep telling her to be more disciplined so she can look the way they say she should look.  She needs to stop dieting (which has the word die in it for a reason) and start living from her own True Self.

4 thoughts on “Discipline — Time To Say Goodbye!

  1. Fenix says:

    If you see discipline as persuasion from authority, and your authority is someone else, then it takes you to hell. But the truth is the authority is always you, you only give it away out of fear. The true authority is our heart, that persuades you to see what is true or false. But most people gave their heart away. They dont follow their hearts. Which is another missunderstood term. Follow your heart, perhaps is the worst advice to hear when you dont know how to.
    This is one of the best posts Cathy. keep it up. Thanks

    • Cathy says:

      You bring up an excellent point Fenix. Authority and discipline just don’t work when talking about the True Self as we’ve come to understand them and so people get very confused making God into a being with rules and judgment. The truth is that in those moments when I was completely following my True Self, I would never ever have used the word authority. It was so peaceful, few words, so clear and so pure. There was no pushing or forcing like we know authority to be. The word has just gotten so distorted. I know without any doubt that when people hear complex shit they aren’t hearing God or their True Self. Their false self is pretending and really calling their bluff. Thanks for commenting. Cathy

  2. Fenix says:

    Great post Cathy. In my language ‘discipline’ is made up from two words, persuation and authority. Discipline as a word is missunderstood. Most people take it as a punishing process of learning from an authority but it is an individual action having to do with skill. Discipline is skillfullness to learn but not learning from others but from your own inner thinking. You might say its a skill to follow your heart. In some cultures when you wanted to learn, let’s say farming, you watched a skillfull farmer, and if the farmer was doing a good job, he would enjoy it and you capture his skill by osmosis, or plainly said, when you saw him happy in his farming you realized you could do it too and in most cases you would learn farming by watching the joy of it and not just as an act of punishment if you dont do it well. In older cultures, mostly natives, the younger ones learned their skills by their elders and the elders didnt give a technique to do it but somehow an expression of ‘if i can do it so can you’ because they were enjoying doing it. They were in a way thankful to nature when they farmed or do anything. Young ones tend to imitate, but a smart elder was teaching them to follow their own creativity and he was just showing them some small practical techniques too. So you could say that discipline is the skill(art) of following your inner spirit(heart) as indians called it. Inner spirit gives out the word in-spiration. But in modern times people dont have patience, they all run for survival so you lose your inspiration and you beat yourself and others to learn doing what was supposed to be fun. So to me when i hear the word discipline it just means skill. But only skillful people can trully ‘discipline’ or teach.
    ‘Men take seriously what the gods made for fun’

    • Cathy says:

      That’s very interesting. Sounds like discipline is more like inspiration in your culture. Oddly, you said it was made up of persuasion and authority, two other words that are not at all kind to the True Self in our culture today. Today people persuade others to think like authority and we call that discipline. But again, it takes us to hell, not to heaven on earth. Sad how many of these words have gotten twisted around and changed into something harmful. But recognition allows us to chose to let those ideas go and return to what you described, which sounds wonderful. Thanks for sharing Fenix, Cathy

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